Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

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Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby HPR Pinball » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:12 pm

Baby Pac-Man at the nursery, i would like to make this sweet love working soon :-)

Surprise, got a Baby Pac-Man with under playfield light sockets on pcb.
Usually they are all installed seperatly old fashioned.
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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby Mindstorm88 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:08 pm

Bien hâte de rejouer cette petite game la, failli en acheter une l an passé

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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby cait001 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:31 pm

so Baby PacMan seems to be a very common project. Is that because it requires both the arcade and pinball restoration skillsets, and so there are less people that can tackle it properly?
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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby HPR Pinball » Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:58 pm

cait001 wrote:so Baby PacMan seems to be a very common project. Is that because it requires both the arcade and pinball restoration skillsets, and so there are less people that can tackle it properly?


In my opinion, from an electronic point of vue, restoring a video game is similar to a pinball, but because of the playfield work, pinballs are much more complicated and time comsumming to restore.

Baby Pac-Man boards and power supply are very similar to any Bally pinballs from that era. Only major difference is the vidiot board that run the video section of the game.

There's a nice babypac repair guide from pinrepair and hope that will be enough for me to restart this game.

http://www.pinrepair.com/bally/babypac.htm
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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby Chris Silver » Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:09 am

If anybody can restore it I understand you can HPR and it will be gorgeous when you're finished.
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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby DrDude » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:35 am

Super cool about the under-playfield lamp-board: Initially I thought it might be a retro-fit from a Mr. & Ms. Pacman pinball, but it looks different.

The Vidiot board can be a pain to repair, but the guide that HPR links is a great resource.

Good luck with bringing this survivor of the ravages of time back to life! This and Granny & the Gators are wonderful/weird examples of the madness that was Early 80's Bally!
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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby HPR Pinball » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:25 pm

This Babypac come directly from a container. I feel that this game was fonctionnal when the operator put it in the storage. There's no hack all around the machine.
-35 and -133 mpu board are 99.99% the same, only part to change is resistor R113 to a Diode 1N4148

This board did not survive the 30 years storage time because of the battery. I have a fresh -35 board to swap.
I redo the 4 connectors also burned by acid.
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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby DrDude » Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:05 pm

HPR Pinball wrote:This Babypac come directly from a container. I feel that this game was fonctionnal when the operator put it in the storage. There's no hack all around the machine.
-35 and -133 mpu board are 99.99% the same, only part to change is resistor R113 to a Diode 1N4148

This board did not survive the 30 years storage time because of the battery. I have a fresh -35 board to swap.
I redo the 4 connectors also burned by acid.

Yeah, you are totally correct: AS2519-133 is really just a modified -35 MPU. It's the Vidiot that scares me!
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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby semicolin » Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:27 pm

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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby HPR Pinball » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:41 pm

Yeah the vidiot board is scary, i'm not out of the trouble but i can get all 10 flashes out of it and 7 flashes from the -133.
But still no video game, i can get now the video test mode :-) No communication test yet.
Pretty sure when communication is restored between -133 and vidiot, the video game will come.
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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby YellowMustard » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:39 am

beau projet MAx, j ai bien hate de l essayer car, je n y ai JAMAIS joué...
le redemarrage est proche j en suis sure! bonne chance :D
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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby HPR Pinball » Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:49 pm

YellowMustard wrote:beau projet MAx, j ai bien hate de l essayer car, je n y ai JAMAIS joué...
le redemarrage est proche j en suis sure! bonne chance :D


Merci David, au point ou j'en suis je commence a croire a des sockets ''flaky'' ou des ic défectueux.
Ca risque d'etre plus long mais je vais finir pas en venir a bout :)
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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby HPR Pinball » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:59 pm

Small update:

Bought a 100% working vidiot board from ebay and ''of course'' it is not 100% :lol:
Seriously, i'm not surprised ! The seller agree to pay for the repair.
This ebay board have no video output at all.

The more serious contestant for the faulty chip is U16 video controller TMS9928ANL
The ebay board boot and the playfield is going to attract mode. I can play blind, it's a very good news !
Swapped the U16 from the ebay board to my original vidiot and it's doing the same, also a good news.
Swapped the U16 from the original to the ebay and got the test video mode on screen but doesn't go to attract mode.

Both boards boot 100% but both U16 ic chip not working properly. My guess is a new TMS9928ANL will make those two boards to work at a certain level, i expect video but with graphics problems :lol: Video section on the vidiot look fairly simple, i'm pretty confident i will make both boards working good. The more i learn about this vidiot board the more i'm confident. It is not that complicated or scary.

This chip really need an heatsink because it is very hot when machine on, certainly the main reason why it fail so often.
The new chip are coming from China and the shipping is very long, i will clean and adjust the under playfield assembly
during this waiting time.
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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby HPR Pinball » Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:43 pm

I feeeell GooD na na na !!
Replaced IC TMS9928ANL and that solved the video problem.
That chip is burning my finger when board is on, it's very hot. No surprise it fail regularly.
I'm planning the heatsink mod soon.
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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby Mindstorm88 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:04 pm

ho yeahhhhhhhh, bonne job Max :thumbup

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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby Dave W. » Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:59 pm

Game is a lot of fun!
Belle job!

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Postby HPR Pinball » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:03 pm

heatsink + 12v fan = more reliability :-)
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Postby Chnillapoil » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:18 pm

HPR Pinball wrote:heatsink + 12v fan = more reliability :-)


Belle job!
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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby OTTOgd » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:23 pm

HPR Pinball wrote:heatsink + 12v fan = more reliability :-)


Nice! Great work!

... getting jealous. :oops: :D

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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby HPR Pinball » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:04 pm

Few hours of work later :)
Added more colors to the spinners.
Replaced the ''always'' broken wire gates for polycarbonate plastic gates. They won't break again :)
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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby foonleclown » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:04 pm

Bientot il sera temps de me la vendre :)

Bel job lache pas , jadore cet game !!
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Postby HPR Pinball » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:50 pm

foonleclown wrote:Bientot il sera temps de me la vendre :)

Bel job lache pas , jadore cet game !!


Merci !! J'adore la première partie, on ne sait jamais, j'ai quand même vendu qques machines avec les années que je ne croyais jamais vendre. Baby a quand même une place spéciale dans mon coeur ;)
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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby HPR Pinball » Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:26 pm

Update day !

Here's the new design to replace the ''always'' broken spinners wire gates because of possible direct hits.
I also put a rubber on the new polycarbonate gates, look nice and clean :)
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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby HPR Pinball » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:47 pm

I'm working speed of light :lol:
New plastic set from Phoenix Arcade, i also bought new marquee, bezel, sideart and cpo.
Fantastic products and highly recommended.

Playfield completed !!
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Re: Baby Pac-Man at the nursery !

Postby cait001 » Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:12 pm

Wow, great work!

Would love to see a code redux for this game, where the pinball becomes the primary mech, and the video is more just a video mode that can be earned.
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