Installing Pop Bumpers lights in Hurricane

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Installing Pop Bumpers lights in Hurricane

Postby Bagdad » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:38 am

Is this something a beginner can do?

I want to buy the "soft" lamp sockets and plug them into the GI.

http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/24-8776-1

Similar to this link but into the GI instead of the matrix...

http://www.flippers.be/hurricane_poplamps.html
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Re: Installing Pop Bumpers lights in Hurricane

Postby cap » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:35 am

I'm a beginner too and this is something I would consider to do. The instructions are very detailed and easy to follow.
It would be a shame to just plug the bumpers into the GI when they tell you exactly what to do to plug them into the switch matrix for much better results.
Make sure you use the shrinking tube as isolation where they mention it in the instructions.

I assume you are willing to learn how to solder. Soldering takes practice. Luckily soldering wires is a lot easier than soldering on a board.
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Re: Installing Pop Bumpers lights in Hurricane

Postby Mrhide » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:50 am

ben oui ... go for it ! ...

et merci pour le lien!
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Re: Installing Pop Bumpers lights in Hurricane

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Re: Installing Pop Bumpers lights in Hurricane

Postby Bagdad » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:51 am

Honnestly, I prefer in the GI (Like my Diner), I saw the result on the matrix and I think it does'nt look good...

Not sure about the Solid Wire sockets, It look easier with the Soft wire, it's like the plastic tubing method, but already done for you.

So now for the real question : How to connect with the GI ? Do I just connect the bumper wires to any of the the GI light socket on the board? Can it work on on/off inserts Or does it need to be one that is always on?

Any examples or drawing would be appreciated.
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Re: Installing Pop Bumpers lights in Hurricane

Postby cap » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:02 pm

Bagdad wrote:Not sure about the Solid Wire sockets, It look easier with the Soft wire, it's like the plastic tubing method, but already done for you.

Normally you don't put any isolation on the pop bumper lamp wires. They are flat because they are stappled to the playfield.
You see it very clearly in the switch matrix instructions. This is not a hack, that's how it is normally done.
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Re: Installing Pop Bumpers lights in Hurricane

Postby cap » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:44 pm

Bagdad wrote:Honnestly, I prefer in the GI (Like my Diner), I saw the result on the matrix and I think it does'nt look good...
So now for the real question : How to connect with the GI ? Do I just connect the bumper wires to any of the the GI light socket on the board? Can it work on on/off inserts Or does it need to be one that is always on?


For the GI, you can connect in parallel to any of the sockets that are always on. You don't need a diode and there is no direction for the socket wires.

The inserts are part of the lamp matrix. I guess you could connect in parallel after the diode.
That would give you a pop that would flash the same way as an insert.
That's a hack compared to hooking up the pops to their rightful place in the lamp matrix like the video was showing.
The beauty of that video is to show the pop lamps are supposed to be unused but the software is handling them fine.
Anyway, you already said you don't like when the pops are flashing.
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Re: Installing Pop Bumpers lights in Hurricane

Postby Bagdad » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:48 pm

Donc si j'ai bien compris, ca doit ressembler à ca?

La direction des fils n'a pas d'importance et je choisie un GI toujours allumé...

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Re: Installing Pop Bumpers lights in Hurricane

Postby cap » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:09 pm

Bagdad wrote:Donc si j'ai bien compris, ca doit ressembler à ca?
La direction des fils n'a pas d'importance et je choisie un GI toujours allumé...


Oui mais pas tout a fait. Tu as oublie de dessiner les brins de la lampe du bumper.
Dans ta photo, on dirait que tu vas souder sur le pop bumper directement.
Comme on disait, les brins de la lampe vont etre agraphes directement a plat sur le bois.
Tes nouveaux fils aussi devront etre agraphes pres de la soudure.
Je ne souderais pas 3 nouveaux fils a la meme lampe GI.
Tu pourrais prendre 3 lampes differentes, mais c'est probablement mieux de faire un split comme dans les instructions du lamp matrix avec un oeillet visse dans le bois.
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Re: Installing Pop Bumpers lights in Hurricane

Postby cap » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:12 pm

En fait, je ne sais pas si cette lampe fait partie du GI. C'est a toi de verifier.
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Re: Installing Pop Bumpers lights in Hurricane

Postby Bagdad » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:14 pm

cap wrote:Oui mais pas tout a fait. Tu as oublie de dessiner les brins de la lampe du bumper.
Dans ta photo, on dirait que tu vas souder sur le pop bumper directement.
Comme on disait, les brins de la lampe vont etre agraphes directement a plat sur le bois.
Tes nouveaux fils aussi devront etre agraphes pres de la soudure.
Je ne souderais pas 3 nouveaux fils a la meme lampe GI.
Tu pourrais prendre 3 lampes differentes, mais c'est probablement mieux de faire un split comme dans les instructions du lamp matrix avec un oeillet visse dans le bois.


N'oublions pas que je vais prendre le model de socket avec fil "mou"...Donc c'est les fils "rose" qui vont être brochés. (Dailleur, la photo que j'ai pris est un exemple de CFTBL avec un socket mou branché sur la matrix...)

Je pensais effectivement prendre 3 lampes différentes, donc 2 fils par lampes, soudés comme sur ma photo? right?

P.s: faut pas viré fou avec l'image, c'est juste un exemple, je veux juste savoir comment/ou plugger les fils...
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Re: Installing Pop Bumpers lights in Hurricane

Postby cap » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:21 pm

Bagdad wrote:N'oublions pas que je vais prendre le model de socket avec fil "mou"...Donc c'est les fils "rose" qui vont être brochés.

Tu fais ce que tu veux, mais si les manufacturier prennent la peine de creer un autre socket, c'est qu'il doit y avoir une raison.
Moi je pense que les vibrations du bumper vont venir a bout de tes fils ou ta soudure si tu prends le mauvais socket.
Aussi, moi je brocherais les fils des 2 cotes de la soudure.
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Re: Installing Pop Bumpers lights in Hurricane

Postby ShootAgain » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:17 am

Tu es 100% sur la bonne voie Bagdad.
Ceci est la bonne façon de rajouter des sockets au pop bumber qui n’en n’ont pas.

Tu pourrais utiliser une pince alligator pour connecter au GI si tu veux pas que ce soit permanent ou simplement souder sur le socket pour une modif permanente.

Il n’y aucun problème avec le fil mou. Il est utiliser dans les Sterns et je l’ai aussi vu dans quelques Bally/ Williams. J’utilise habituelement ce socket quand je reconstruit des pop bumpers.
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Re: Installing Pop Bumpers lights in Hurricane

Postby Bagdad » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:13 am

ShootAgain wrote:Tu es 100% sur la bonne voie Bagdad.
Ceci est la bonne façon de rajouter des sockets au pop bumber qui n’en n’ont pas.

Tu pourrais utiliser une pince alligator pour connecter au GI si tu veux pas que ce soit permanent ou simplement souder sur le socket pour une modif permanente.

Il n’y aucun problème avec le fil mou. Il est utiliser dans les Sterns et je l’ai aussi vu dans quelques Bally/ Williams. J’utilise habituelement ce socket quand je reconstruit des pop bumpers.


Merci, c'est ça que je voulais lire!! :lol:

J'y pensais pour les pinces alligator, c'est ça qu'il font avec les spotlights kits que je vais installer justement...Je vais philosopher la dessu...
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