The playfield dimples horror show !!

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The playfield dimples horror show !!

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Ok let show us what is horrifying you so much !!

These are playfields from 90' supposed to be the best of all time, no dimples ??
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There you go
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mrmikeman wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:23 pm
There you go
Wow, c'est épeurant... Un playfield protector de qualité, ça pourrait aider les premières années, pendant que le playfield continue à sécher? où c'est vraiment le fait de jouer qu'à la longue tout s'applatie en s'usant?

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A la longue ca devient comme une wms des annees 90.
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Un mylar est une option qui réduit beaucoup les dimples au debut!
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mrmikeman wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:23 pm
There you go
My Stranger Things is particularly bad too.
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That looks like absolute shit.

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semicolin wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:53 am
That looks like absolute shit.
It ain’t a priceless work of art. It’s a pinball machine. A commercial/industrial device designed to entertain. Just because folks with too much money buy them as toys doesn’t change that. It’s just as entertaining with the dimples as it is without. I enjoy it by playing it, not staring at it lol.

It really does even out. I just need to play it even more! 😃

The air balls on this game are something I have never seen before. Totally insane.
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Pas un dimple mais ca met en lumière ce qui arrive quand le bon clearcoat n'est pas utilisé pour cette application.
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These are not dimples...

That's a dimple that I had back in 2005...was trying to figure out why they removed the magnet...and then...after removing some pieces, it was obvious.
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frosken wrote:
Mon May 03, 2021 10:07 am
These are not dimples...

That's a dimple that I had back in 2005...was trying to figure out why they removed the magnet...and then...after removing some pieces, it was obvious.
...step 1 and 2 were:

- Fix the magnet (one of the original Maaca members fixed that for me :D )
- Remove the "operator fix" which left the biggest dimple ever...
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The dimple was caused by a mis-ajusted ball release, which would ram this piece here and then hit the magnet at full velocity...
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...and this was the fix.

not pretty, not extravagant, but it freaking worked.

In addition, this area of the PF is completely hidden therefore I didn't even attempt to color it... ;)

Last but not least, I ensured that the ball wouldn't ram the metal "bridge" holding the optos. it was a simple adjustment...

Now parts are easier to find for a DH, but back in 2005, it was the only "option" for repairs.
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Ball velocity and ball drops increase, yet clear and material (wood) is still the same.

So, unless they change the ball material, or surface material, steel beats wood.

But, problem is that purists will never accept a change. And understandably so. Ball reactions change dramatically. And they are the main purchasers of machines today.

An easily replaceable Lexan top would help out. Or just a complete evolution in pinball. Who knows.
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Sparky wrote:
Mon May 03, 2021 12:03 pm
But, problem is that purists will never accept a change. And understandably so. Ball reactions change dramatically. And they are the main purchasers of machines today.

An easily replaceable Lexan top would help out. Or just a complete evolution in pinball. Who knows.
"Purists".. What a joke.

They would make a clear coat 5 times thicker than factory in order to prevent dimples. That also affects ball reaction and isn't "pure" but they're ok with that. Why? Because it's mainstream. It's what's currently cool. "Hey my pf is clearcoated". What garbage lol.

Even 2 identical NIB games side by side will play a little different. It's the nature of pinball. A handmade electro-mechanical device with subtle variations because they are built by humans, not machines.

At some point a main manufacturer will have the balls to explore solutions other than plywood playfields. We've seen it with multimorphic and now haggis (although this was done on Elektra in the 80's as well).
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Sparky wrote:
Mon May 03, 2021 12:03 pm
An easily replaceable Lexan top would help out. Or just a complete evolution in pinball. Who knows.
That's some great advice! if only manufacturers would offer a Lexan top as an option - with some of those edges already made thinner so it doesn't affect game play, would make things easier for buyers to get it already installed.

You can actually have some 3M film on a brand new car before you leave the dealership, because, that's kind of the point!

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