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Hi guy’s,

I am in the process of restoring this gottlieb big brave EM machine. Backbox and cabinet are done,i am now starting working on the playfield. My question is considering the actual playfield how you guys will proceed for the restoration?
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Depends on your skills, time to invest and final result you wish.
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Bad planking :( You will need to paint the whole thing to "hide it". Big Brave indeed.

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I think a lot of it depends on how much you want to put into it... if this game was particularly valuable to me, I might consider scanning the whole thing and reworking it digitally. Then, I'd be able to have a hardtop printed and lasercut. How much it will cost depends on what skills you can already bring to the table.

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You might find Fred's album of his restore interesting: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipO ... RmcFExYjVR

He's done a total playfield repaint.
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What Tom Said. No better guide than this!
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Thanks all for you outputs.

I will start by removing all parts and clean the playfield.
I will then scan playfield and i will find out the best ways to get this machine seconds live!!
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I would make an playfield overlay, sand the playfield smooth, put on the sticker (overlay), and clear coat.

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Restoration still in process.

Playfield was scan.

File ready to send to print chop.

I am also working in fusion360 on a new playfield.

I will probably keep the original playfield and just make a new one.
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So you're going to CNC cut it? Cool. I think Classic Playfield Reproductions might sell blanks.
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I have easy access to cnc machine. Today I order bag of playfield inserts. Now my question is what will be the best wood to use for the playfield?

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Dssaction wrote:I have easy access to cnc machine. Today I order bag of playfield inserts. Now my question is what will be the best wood to use for the playfield?
The hardest you can get. Balls cause damage.

Usually playfields are made with furniture-grade maple plywood.

I have always wanted to experiment with 9-ply Russian birch. I have made control panels with that stuff and it is TOUGH. But never experimented on a playfield.
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... here's the thing though. If you scanned and "cleaned" the artwork, have you considered just making an overlay that will go on the existing playfield?

If it were me, and I could reproduce art, I would remove everything on top, sand it down all nice, reglue the inserts in place after flattening them, and clearcoat the wood with a couple of coats. That will seal the wood and give you a nice surface to put new art on. No need to remove everything under.
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You can read about the wood used by CPR here: https://classicplayfields.com/faqs/
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Keep the old playfield and inserts, reglue them, sand the playfield and apply the new overlay.
Personnaly i would sand slightly the playfield to remove the planking and repaint it 100%. There's almost no details on this artwork, not an heavy job to my eyes and that way it will still look original and more valuable than a digital printed overlay.
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Thanks for all your input!! It is all ways help full!

Three reasons why’s i am going building new playfield.

-First for the challenge!! Restoring pinball machine is a hobby. I know the digital art work will never give value and never close to original look.

-second i will like to keep the old playfield and give a try to restore original art work. This will take time for me and not sure if i will ever be able to make something that look close to some restoration you guy’s have done.right now this machine is all apart in my workshop and i need space.

-third using sand paper on original playfield is something i can’t put my minds doing. For me those original playfied are like a Monet or Van gogh!!!

For the wood, next week i will stop at langevin and ask them what cold be the best option.

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Just quick update. Playfield is cut and ready to install insert.

Now i am looking a place to print the playfield overlays.
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Just quick update. Playfield is cut and ready for insert install.

I decided to go for 1/2 Russian ply. I am very happy with the results.

What’s is the glues that’s you are using to glue inserts?

Also any idea we’re i can go to print overlay?

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The technique is explained in Vid's guide to playfield restoration.
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The thread is enormous but there is an index of the key posts on the first page.
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Je refait des inserts de playfield depuis plusieurs années, je prend la colle duco cement.
Cette colle devient dur comme du ciment en 24heures, tu a du temps en masse pour bien installer tes inserts et les dégats sur le playfield se nettoie facilement.

Tu en met une couche dans le trou et sur l'insert, attend 3-4 minutes, tu en remet pour la réactivé et tu installe ton insert, pas besoin d'en mettre beaucoup en autant que ton insert s'appuie bien dans le trou.

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Update alerts!!! Just give update to show my progress making new playfield. I will have more time in the next week to complet the restoration. So far am i happy whit the result.
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That looks great.

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I think we all are. Wow!
Please describe the process

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The playfield is made of 1/2inch russian birch plywood.
Original playfield was scan. Playfield overlay was print in local print shop on vinyl. Board was cut on cnc machine thanks to one of my friend!!!

First i glue all insert then varnish the playfield.
I use this for the first coat

https://www.rustoleum.com/product-catal ... over/clear

Then i use epoxy for the final coating.

https://www.ecopoxy.com/uvpoxy/

There’s is alot of discussion regarding using epoxy on playfield. So i decided to make my own opinion and use epoxy.

At first i was going to put another clear coat on top of epoxy. But i will try whit out this extra coat.

I will juste use wax.

I will let you guys know the results.

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