Better alternative for removing RUST

[GILV]

No, I messaged the guy and never got an answer from him.
I wear gloves for the rare times I use it and even with gloves, it is'nt really worth talking about it since I only have contact with the liquid a few seconds before passing it under water.
It won't go through gloves if it's only a few seconds, it needs more time than that to chemically go through........

[Simson]

On their website, www.industrialrusteliminator.com, they list their adress.
200 N Center Drive, Suite E, Alton, IL 62002

There's an auto body shop on that adress called Restoration House Auto Body.
So if anyone happen to live in Saint Louis, they might be worth visiting:)
My guess is that it's just someone selling a mixture made from readily available ingredients that they originally made for their own use in the body shop. Hence no SDS...

The info I've found is that it's a 2 ingredient mixture. One acid and one base. Both ingredients are rust removers in themself. One of them doubles as a softening agent for "hard" water. PH same as apple juice, so around 3.5-4. (Evapo-Rust is around 6)
Does that mean that steel needs a PH neutraliser after using it?

[GILV]

I would think so that it needs a neutraliser and that neutraliser is water, you rince the peice of metal with water afterwrds.
I'm using it right now as a matter of fact, I'm removing rust from a moped muffler, the other picture is the product itself that I bought 2 years ago, I still have plenty for many many years to come, maybe I'll even never have to buy any again since I don't restore pins and moped parts as much as I use to. I bought the 20 gallon package at 99$ USD.

[Simson]

Since we don't know what acid is used in the formula; have you seen any etching effects on aluminum, brass, chrome, stainless, steel...?

[GILV]

Since we don't know what acid is used in the formula; have you seen any etching effects on aluminum, brass, chrome, stainless, steel...?

Nope, reason is simple, it's not an acid, it reacts with ferrous metals only, does'nt do anything with other metals, so, chrome, stainless steel= works great but Aluminium and brass= does'nt do anthing.
The product does'nt attack the metal, it only attacks rust that's on the metal,
And if it's like Evaporust, it's safe for hands as well, but I can't confirm that because I don't know the ingredients, all I've got is the seller word that it's "like Evaporust" from the listing.

[semicolin]

It won't go through gloves if it's only a few seconds, it needs more time than that to chemically go through........

There are many rust removing chemicals used in industrial processes that can penetrate through latex or nitrile gloves in seconds, and even a couple of drops can absorb through your skin and attack your liver or kidneys.

While it isn't likely that those are the chemicals in use here, if they are, you're in danger. Please don't assume that short term occasional exposure is safe There is no way our leisure hobby is worth the off chance of a liver transplant.

[GILV]

It won't go through gloves if it's only a few seconds, it needs more time than that to chemically go through........

There are many rust removing chemicals used in industrial processes that can penetrate through latex or nitrile gloves in seconds, and even a couple of drops can absorb through your skin and attack your liver or kidneys.

While it isn't likely that those are the chemicals in use here, if they are, you're in danger. Please don't assume that short term occasional exposure is safe There is no way our leisure hobby is worth the off chance of a liver transplant.

You are probably right about that but I'm not worried anyway because I use this product only once or twice a year.

[semicolin]

[GILV]

Come on, let's not go crazy.....
My cousin died of a disease caused by working on motorcycles all of his life, more specificly engine oil, he worked 40 years 5 days a week, now would another person working with his bare hands with engine oil only once or twice a year get cancer? the chances are scarce, cancer is'nt a nice disaese to have, but you usually get those diseases or cancers with numerous repetition in using them......
I know I work with harsh products since I was 20 years old and I've got pretty heavy skin problems that cause me lots of complications.
I've got to say that using a product once or twice a year does'nt scare me at all, please, let's not get paranoid.

Il faut être équilibré dans nos peurs, sinon on vie de peur seulement et ce n'est pas sains, ni raisonnable, ni sage de vivre de peur a ce point la.

[semicolin]

It's not fear, it's respect. Not all chemicals are the same. That's why we have safety data sheets. When you know what's in a product you can take precautions.

This product, you don't know what's in it, and more importantly, the vendor is refusing to tell you.

I work in construction, and this attitude of "Come on man, you afraid? Don't be a pussy" is horseshit. You make your own decisions about how safe you want to be, but don't shame people with safety concerns about a damn mystery chemical. Jesus.

[GILV]

It's not fear, it's respect. Not all chemicals are the same. That's why we have safety data sheets. When you know what's in a product you can take precautions.

This product, you don't know what's in it, and more importantly, the vendor is refusing to tell you.

I work in construction, and this attitude of "Come on man, you afraid? Don't be a pussy" is horseshit. You make your own decisions about how safe you want to be, but don't shame people with safety concerns about a damn mystery chemical. Jesus.

I'm no construction guy.. not even in the attitude, I never said "come on man" in my entire life, even less say, "you afraid? Don't be a pussy" , even when I was at Saint-Patrick's (english school) the many years I was there.
You are allowed to be afraid, there's no shame in being afraid, but I'm also allowed to NOT be afraid, you talk about respect in your last post, I respect your point of view but do you respect mine? Because that's all there is to it, a point of view, nobody knows what's in that deruster.......
You have no reason to do this if you respect my point of view, don't you think sir?

[semicolin]

[GILV]

Now that's funny.
My grand children do the same sometimes, just to nag me.